@k.dees I use to study with a group of people that believe they were the 144,000 because they claimed that no one really knows who are from the tribes of Israel, since they are all scattered and have mixed bloodlines throughout history. And for other reasons i rather not get into because it will sway from what's important, God's love. (I use to believe I could be one of them or wanted to be one of them lol but now I'm just grateful, if I just make it to heaven.) But from what I understand and have read the 144,000 are from the tribes of Israel 12,000 from each tribe. It's interesting, though, because manases was the son of Joseph not Jacob but Jacob blessed both sons of Joseph in Egypt and he told them that the younger would be greater than the older one. Ephraim was the younger brother. Also, interesting to note that Joshua who led the Israelites into the promise land was from the tribe of Ephraim. Lol I probably just added more to your questions but I wanted to share my experience. I think it's a really neat topic to study. I wonder what PSW has to say. 🤔
Revelation 7:
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand
The 144,000. Are from the twelve tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe.
Those who teach that they are the 144,000, for the most part they are not even Jewish. There are some denominations under the banner of Christianity who claims their members are the 144,000 of Revelation. Then there are those, less heard of, but with a firm grip on their followers, they elevate themselves as the source for becoming a part of the 144,000.
Wherever the Bible is not the primary source for teaching and discernment, it is a break for men to usurp their beliefs upon others for the sake of control and power. The more Bible the believer knows, the less likely they are to fall victim to denominational control and the regression of incorrect teaching.
The Lord said, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Nevertheless, even in our lack of knowledge, He still considers us His people. So then, let us act as one. We can’t know all things at once, but it is better to know some truth than no truth at all.
As previously stated, the 144,000 are from the twelve tribes of Israel. Furthermore, the Holy Spirit reaffirms that these are of the tribes of Israel. Knowing that men throughout the ages will pridefully attempt to elevate themselves as those of the 144,000. Consequently, the Holy Spirit went on to list the names of the tribes.
Revelation 7:5-8
Juda
Reuben
Gad
Aser
Nepthalim
Manasses
Simeon
Levi
Issachar
Zabulon
Joseph
Benjamin
The Misconception of the 144,000
Many assume, the 144,000 represents salvation, thereby, those that are not a part of this group are condemned. On the contrary, their selection by God, does not spell doom for the rest who are not a part of this unique group. Rather, they are to serve a special purpose for God.
The tribe of Dan is omitted from the list, and Joseph is inserted in its place. The reason for this is unknown. However, there are certain clues to give us an insight to the reason for their selection. One speculation is, the tribe of Dan in its early days was the first to introduce idolatry among the tribes, for this reason, many years later they are omitted from the 144,000, some assume.
However, was not Samson a Judge for his people according to the will of God? Indeed, and Samson is from the tribe of Dan, and He was allowed by God to serve in the highest office among his people. Furthermore, Samson is listed in the Faith Hall-of-Fame of Hebrews Chapter 11. So then, perhaps such assumption holds some indication, but without a solid validation for the omitting of Dan from the 144,000.
Another assumption for the omitting of Dan is, it is believed the Anti-Christ will be from the tribe of Dan. Through deception, many of the Jews of the end time will accept him as the messiah, thereby elevating the tribe of Dan above his brethren as the ruling tribe. With corrupt power, it is virtually impossible for men to accept anything that is not in-line with their belief, making it impossible for the tribe of Dan to be groomed by the Lord to serve His cause through the selection of the 144,000.
These are assumptions, but for the fact, this we know, the omitting of Dan does not imply everlasting damnation. For all the house of Israel will be eventually saved according to the words of the Lord . . . And so, all Israel shall be saved: as it is written . . . (Romans 11:26)
Let this be a lesson to us, though we are temporarily omitted at times from the things of God. Whatever it may be, due to our wrongdoing, but there is Hope by Grace through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Well written and said by the two comments above. It was a good question. I heard someone spoke as the comment above described in a Christian online chat years back.
Oh sorry but I meant to say a guy in an online Christian chat said he was some kind of leader called to gather the tribes and form the 144,000 so people should follow him. Maybe you experience someone or a group like that? that was what I meant to say
@Cloud Weeks no, you're not trespassing 🙂. Input and interaction is encouraged, that's fellowship, right? And yes a lot of things to consider, seek and search out.
Hey @Pink long time I haven't seen you on here, and wow I'm glad you left that study group lol. I am starting to study the OT more and your sharing inspired me more thanks.
@k.dees thank you, 🙂 yea Ive been mostly just using the music place. And I'm glad I quit studying with them but I know there's still so much out there to learn. The OT has a lot of beautiful stuff, I'm looking into some of them myself.
@k.dees I use to study with a group of people that believe they were the 144,000 because they claimed that no one really knows who are from the tribes of Israel, since they are all scattered and have mixed bloodlines throughout history. And for other reasons i rather not get into because it will sway from what's important, God's love. (I use to believe I could be one of them or wanted to be one of them lol but now I'm just grateful, if I just make it to heaven.) But from what I understand and have read the 144,000 are from the tribes of Israel 12,000 from each tribe. It's interesting, though, because manases was the son of Joseph not Jacob but Jacob blessed both sons of Joseph in Egypt and he told them that the younger would be greater than the older one. Ephraim was the younger brother. Also, interesting to note that Joshua who led the Israelites into the promise land was from the tribe of Ephraim. Lol I probably just added more to your questions but I wanted to share my experience. I think it's a really neat topic to study. I wonder what PSW has to say. 🤔
Revelation 7:
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand
The 144,000. Are from the twelve tribes of Israel. 12,000 from each tribe.
Those who teach that they are the 144,000, for the most part they are not even Jewish. There are some denominations under the banner of Christianity who claims their members are the 144,000 of Revelation. Then there are those, less heard of, but with a firm grip on their followers, they elevate themselves as the source for becoming a part of the 144,000.
Wherever the Bible is not the primary source for teaching and discernment, it is a break for men to usurp their beliefs upon others for the sake of control and power. The more Bible the believer knows, the less likely they are to fall victim to denominational control and the regression of incorrect teaching.
The Lord said, My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Nevertheless, even in our lack of knowledge, He still considers us His people. So then, let us act as one. We can’t know all things at once, but it is better to know some truth than no truth at all.
As previously stated, the 144,000 are from the twelve tribes of Israel. Furthermore, the Holy Spirit reaffirms that these are of the tribes of Israel. Knowing that men throughout the ages will pridefully attempt to elevate themselves as those of the 144,000. Consequently, the Holy Spirit went on to list the names of the tribes.
Revelation 7:5-8
Juda
Reuben
Gad
Aser
Nepthalim
Manasses
Simeon
Levi
Issachar
Zabulon
Joseph
Benjamin
The Misconception of the 144,000
Many assume, the 144,000 represents salvation, thereby, those that are not a part of this group are condemned. On the contrary, their selection by God, does not spell doom for the rest who are not a part of this unique group. Rather, they are to serve a special purpose for God.
The tribe of Dan is omitted from the list, and Joseph is inserted in its place. The reason for this is unknown. However, there are certain clues to give us an insight to the reason for their selection. One speculation is, the tribe of Dan in its early days was the first to introduce idolatry among the tribes, for this reason, many years later they are omitted from the 144,000, some assume.
However, was not Samson a Judge for his people according to the will of God? Indeed, and Samson is from the tribe of Dan, and He was allowed by God to serve in the highest office among his people. Furthermore, Samson is listed in the Faith Hall-of-Fame of Hebrews Chapter 11. So then, perhaps such assumption holds some indication, but without a solid validation for the omitting of Dan from the 144,000.
Another assumption for the omitting of Dan is, it is believed the Anti-Christ will be from the tribe of Dan. Through deception, many of the Jews of the end time will accept him as the messiah, thereby elevating the tribe of Dan above his brethren as the ruling tribe. With corrupt power, it is virtually impossible for men to accept anything that is not in-line with their belief, making it impossible for the tribe of Dan to be groomed by the Lord to serve His cause through the selection of the 144,000.
These are assumptions, but for the fact, this we know, the omitting of Dan does not imply everlasting damnation. For all the house of Israel will be eventually saved according to the words of the Lord . . . And so, all Israel shall be saved: as it is written . . . (Romans 11:26)
Let this be a lesson to us, though we are temporarily omitted at times from the things of God. Whatever it may be, due to our wrongdoing, but there is Hope by Grace through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Like @Pink said above, Salvation is a lot to be thankful for and the promise of Heaven.
Well written and said by the two comments above. It was a good question. I heard someone spoke as the comment above described in a Christian online chat years back.
@Cloud Weeks um sorry part of your comment confused me at the end. :/
Oh sorry but I meant to say a guy in an online Christian chat said he was some kind of leader called to gather the tribes and form the 144,000 so people should follow him. Maybe you experience someone or a group like that? that was what I meant to say
@Cloud Weeks oh ok, yes, I did. He didn't directly say it but it was implied. And thankfully God pulled me away from that. 🙂
Ok whew.. thanks I didn't want to offend anyone, I feel like a trespasser here, since I'm new but a lot of good writings
Welcome @Cloud Weeks
@Cloud Weeks no, you're not trespassing 🙂. Input and interaction is encouraged, that's fellowship, right? And yes a lot of things to consider, seek and search out.
Hey @Pink long time I haven't seen you on here, and wow I'm glad you left that study group lol. I am starting to study the OT more and your sharing inspired me more thanks.
@k.dees thank you, 🙂 yea Ive been mostly just using the music place. And I'm glad I quit studying with them but I know there's still so much out there to learn. The OT has a lot of beautiful stuff, I'm looking into some of them myself.
@Pink Yes it does, I feel guilty I make time for other things but not enough time to read :/ I will check the music place btw
@k.dees, I know the feeling and you should. I believe the playlist is peaceful 🙂.
Yes @Pink it is my quiet place 🙏 I wish both playlists were joined. Maybe I'm asking too much ☺